Entrevista relativamente antiga, 2007, com Nicholas Lash; importante teologo da Universidade de Cambridge, autor de um conhecido livro sobre o pensamento de Marx. Difícil saber qual a posição atual dele: o que aparentemente pode ser lido como sendo uma visão simpatica, não raro é exatamente o contrário. O idioma é a parte menos complicada em um dialogo com um inglês.
You’ve also written sympathetically about Marxism. After the collapse of communism, is Marxism still a philosophy that Christians need to engage? Why is it that some viable Christian version of socialism is so difficult to imagine in England and America?
Those who doubt that Christians still need to engage with Marx are as foolish as those who doubt that we still need to engage with Aristotle, Kant or Hegel. At the heart of Marx’s analysis of the capitalist mode of production was his insight that it led, with almost mechanical inevitability, to what he called "the universalization of the commodity form," the transmutation not only of all things, but also of all relations, into commodities. Dr. Marx, si monumentum requiris, circumspice ("If you seek a memorial, look around")--as Sir Christopher Wren’s memorial in St Paul’s Cathedral in London says.
May I risk being a little polemical here, out of friendly exasperation? I can understand why, in a culture as driven and absorbed by messianic capitalism as is the United States, versions of socialism of any kind are hard to comprehend with sympathy. But please do not drag us in with you. There were, as any historian can tell you, the very closest links between 20th-century socialism in Britain and Christianity, especially Nonconformity. In recent decades, the dire and dominant structures of British (and international) capitalism have deformed the Labour Party almost, but not quite, to the extent of losing its originally socialist vision, but we do not find Christian socialism in any way difficult to understand, because we remember it.
As millions of destitute Americans continue to be deprived of adequate access to good health care, people of all parties in the UK regard the retention of the National Health Service, "free at the point of delivery," as essential to our cultural health. And a health service in which wealth or poverty make not the slightest difference is a socialist achievement
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